Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. Quite a difference! The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. Campfire 'Bwana. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. The 358 Norma is a sure mag round, but expensive ammo and brass. Here in North America big game starts with deer. cases. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. was simply a .308 Win. The 35 whelen and 358 winchester were the two I was torn between. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. Movement is more random in big country. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Out of stock View Details . I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. Whelen would not. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. 10 GA. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Why the .35 Rem. Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. The .350 Rem. As Ive said, I like mediums, such as the unpopular 8mm Remington Magnum and the faster .33s. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. R Rocky On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. The .358 Win. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. They can take their time and pick their shots. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. It is capable of driving a. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. Synthetic stocks arent always lighter than wood, but they are stronger and more stable, and elk hunting can be hard on rifles. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Give a Gift As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. It is, as you say, a thumper. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. It was recovered in bits and pieces. Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? from my E.R. First, it will do everything the .338 will, and a bit more. Mag. So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. It was predictable that the .356 Win. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. .500 Nitro Express. Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. Mag. Out of stock View Details . Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. Perhaps thats why it has survived. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. Of them all the one I still have is the 9,3X62. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. The softpoints were used for the various antelope species, dangerous cats and even buffalo, while the full-patch, non-expanding solids would be used on elephant. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). I have no experience with the Norma mag. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. Mag. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. Theres more to success than merely landing a good one on the chin. The .358 Norma Mag. The trouble is, they didnt sell. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. Mag. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. and .358 Norma Mag.). We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. necked up to .35 caliber. There werent many factory .358 Norma Magnum rifles mademost were Husqvarnas or Schultz & Larsensbut many American gunsmiths converted the Mauser 98, Springfield 03-A3 and the like to the big .35, as it made an absolutely perfect choice for those headed north to Alaska. This is comparable killing power to the long .375 H&H Magnum with a 300 grain bullet (ME 4331 ft. In an age of ultra-specializatio in every field, and especially rifles, such versatility is almost an anachronism. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. Why cant we love the .35? Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. Its also worth noting that, in spite of its relative obscurity, the cartridge appears in many of the most recent loading manuals, including Normas own, a worthwhile addition to anyones reloading library. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. My favorite hunting round. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. You can start with the 6.5mms. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. The 250-grain .358-inch bulletwith a sectional density of 0.279if properly constructed, has enough length to handle the brown bear and bison, and all of the African plains game species, plus lion and leopard. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. Original Schultz & Larsens had substantial freebore to keep pressures down, and Normas specifications for the cartridge called for it. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. of muzzle energy. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. Opening up a boltface on a standard action is NOT a difficult job for a decent gunsmith and does not affect the strength or viability of the action one WHIT. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. Subscriber Services. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. of energy at the muzzle. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. Theres also a mindset difference. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland.

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